Does this mean we can finally compile for the Apple platform without owning an Apple computer? The 64bit/32bit configuration on Azure portal (shown above in my screenshot), controls the IIS w3wp.exe process. As other posters have said, it's a MacOS license limitation :-(. Obviously they would need to build a sled/ server chassis too with networking and power delivery. Apple has a self host cloud division as well as AWS according to news reports. It’s an “as-A-Service” offering. Azure, AWS to confirm that you can communicate with each other. When I was there, a variety of brands of hardware, mostly running RHEL. I suspect the macOS license precludes this. > For purposes of this Section 3: (A) End User Lessee means a Lessee who is the end user ultimately using the leased Apple Software solely for Permitted Developer Services; and (B) Permitted Developer Services means continuous integration services, including but not limited to software development, building software from source, automated testing during software development, and running necessary developer tools to support such activities. I literally need access a few hrs a month for submitting binary updates to the app store. Having relatively few users compared to all other platforms plus the cost being a couple of orders of magnitude higher, I doubt we'll take advantage of this. It's insane. Us, mere mortals, are more restricted, as we don't have the keys of the kingdom. It appears aws is charging $1/hr with a 24 hr minimum which is similar to every other provider out there that is offering MacOS instances. I don’t know the exact reasons why, but I assume it’s because there weren’t enough people buying them and they couldn’t make enough profit on building and supporting them. [0]:, [1]: (ii) each lease period must be for a minimum period of twenty-four (24) consecutive hours; However it seems that no version of macOS since Lion (2011) is available to be purchased standalone anymore. Or do they get the luxury of using proper server hardware and software? But then again you're probably not reselling your mac's functionality directly for profit to others. I've been waiting on an excuse to ditch my faltering Mac. I think their cloud play _will_ be B2C driven. Azure side 12, Create a local network gateway 13, Create connection. Imagine if Mercedes was trying to tell you that you can only rent your car(which you paid for) for a minimum of 7 days or something equally stupid. If they actually wanted to make it easy to develop software they would allow compiling on other platforms, and ideally provide a VM to test on. Yes, this is directly from the macOS T&Cs: It's also per-instance, so if you use one to run a build or automated test suite and tear it down afterwards, it costs you 24 hours each time. US customers you would be subject to US law anyway, and Apple could go after you in the US. >(There is one notable instance where Apple embraced enterprise, and that was when Apple added Exchange support in iPhone OS and admittedly, this was a huge deal and was ultimately a fatal blow to Blackberry. I believe the 24hr minimum is a requirement by Apple not AWS. Just checked - yes it is after about 2 months. Isn’t that true for all EC2 instances? We're actively working on lowering this scrubbing duration and really appreciate your feedback here. For one thing, the tcp stack is ancient, and easy to syn flood. It seems like something which should not result from a free market. Strange, Apple should be subsidizing compilation for Apple's platform instead. It’s not our problem. But AWS in particular recognized that if AWS was to be as successful as they had ambitions for, the were going to have to hire an enterprise sales force and do other things related to supporting enterprises. This is a genuine question, I'm not being snobby or anything like that. Apple knows this. > B. Subleasing. AWS side 14, add a virtual private gateway to the routing table. Anything that requires Xcode to build. Create a gateway subnet.Open the subnet from the virtual network screen and click on the gateway subnet to create it. Leasing. Given I'd expect a lot of these to be used as iOS build servers, it's worth noting that Azure DevOps gives you 1,800 build minutes on the free tier, which AFAIK you can use with their MacOS agents. Different things at different times. I think the developers got some cloud storage for ‘free’. I’m Japanese, Microsoft MVP for Azure. Granted - it's challenging to keep up with the pace of both Apple and AWS - inadvertent regressions do get introduced with certain releases, but we're building mechanisms to catch and jointly remediate them early. Too much would need to change in the company for that to happen. This, although I think the 24 hour minimum set by apple kinda undermines the scalability asset. I think the previous model was too limited for most use cases, but it’s not fundamentally broken. It started with those two groups and once IT found a way to support turn systems — or at least get them on the network/give them access to the file share — Apple didn’t need to do a lot of the glad handing for enterprise sales. you've said it like, 4 times in this thread that apple is "helping mac stadium". Interestingly, AWS and Google weren't really B2B plays initially either. > How many hours / dollars / gigatons-of-carbon / calories are wasted on this comically inefficient, user-hostile and gratuitously complex state of affairs ? As of this writing, only 1-2 of the comment threads are related to the actual subject of the article (why Apple doesn't produce a rackmount form-factor machine, why you can't virtualize macOS on commodity x86 hardware) and the rest are just about the fact of Macs on EC2 (why Apple doesn't run their own cloud, whether the pricing is cost-effective, etc.). But it’s the exception that almost proves the rule. I only need MacOS for the building and submitting. Besides that, I forgot where it came out about the amount of money Amazon retail makes on it’s dedicated Apple store. Download the configuration file. My impression is that it's part of their DNA now. It may take 30-60 mins for this scrubbing workflow to complete, and up to 2-4 hours if BridgeOS update is required - during which the host shows up in "pending" state. It would be kind of crazy to imagine, if the M-series processor for the Mac Pro is among the best performing CPUs in the world - which it may turn out to be - that these processors would be virtually inaccessible in the server space in any relevant way. They also provided a bunch of Mac minis to Mac Stadium for OSS developers to build on. Doesn't happen often, but it does happen. This was very helpful. Add from virtual network gateway connection. If they didn't care, they wouldn't have bothered to add Hypervisor support into the M series CPUs. They will present a utility computing model to customers -- where each customer sees 'cloud-computing usage charges' displayed by app. Since the EBS volume was resized after boot, an instance reboot is required before the additional disk size is available for your use. Makes sense if they start auditing / security reviewing of what gets pushed to their platform. From a macOS developer's standpoint, it's really a huge PITA there is no LTS. Add the subnet on the Azure side to the prefix. Trang tin tức online với nhiều tin mới nổi bật, tổng hợp tin tức 24 giờ qua, tin tức thời sá»± quan trọng và những tin thế giới mới nhất trong ngày mà bạn cần biết I have to think that such a solution is either in the works or that Apple looked at the support challenges and just decided to let other people do it at scale for them. AWS can use the Mac any way it wants, but the license terms are part of MacOS. Yes I know there were a few other providers before, but hadn't found one that worked in my pipeline. In fact, as far as AWS is concerned, Amazon is just another big customer — and not even the biggest. Maybe they didn't want to maintain a separate fork only for internal use. I was able to confirm that AWS can directly connect with Azure by supporting IKEv2.Until now, it was necessary to prepare a Windows server etc. I do wish they have less restriction on macOS usage timing. One thing I've been wanting to do for a while is integrate with iMessage. I would be super strange and non-intuitive for AWS to impose something like this, they have nothing to gain and a lot to lose (actual customers, image, as people will make fun of them for this silly limitation). > A "lease period must be for a minimum period of twenty-four (24) consecutive hours.". How quickly would Apple fold if all of a sudden there weren't third party applications for their devices? Apple's single biggest event of the year is a developer conference. There's nothing AMD CPUs can do that Intel cannot, though maybe the cost/usage patterns benefit one vendor or another at certain points in time. But, at home I have a Windows Desktop and Laptop. The cost of truly making a B2B play would require resource investments and commitments into an area Apple doesn’t need to care about and that would come at the expense of areas that are both more profitable and less of a PITA. Look at how many SKUs competing laptop manufacturers have because enterprises will specify some combination of ports and memory and CPU, and if the manufacturer doesn't have that particular combination, there will be no sale. Hackintoshs are real and there should be no reason for you to use Mac Mini's in the first place. Would this be beneficial? It would make sense for a third party to require 24 hours minimum, but it seems really weird for -Apple- to be dictating what a third party rental company's minimum rental duration is. AWS Site-to-Site VPN Now Supports IKEv2 Very neat how they bring the entire Nitro platform through the Thunderbolt ports. When you click accept in the initial setup that has a link to T&Cs that informs you can return it for a refund if you don't agree. The mini absolutely is intended for use as a server. Amazon Web Services (AWS) is a subsidiary of Amazon providing on-demand cloud computing platforms and APIs to individuals, companies, and governments, on a metered pay-as-you-go basis. This works until you have a bug you can't replicate on a developer machine that your CI misses. iMessage stores a local SQLite database of message history. It's a loss leader or at best a break-even, low-margin business for them, but it's a compliment to their high-margin businesses (having more/better apps means more App Store revenue and helps keep users on the hardware/software platform). Ok that sounds promising. Yes. Thank you. There was a time when they made this guys: Considering how they've been making Mac servers more and more irrelevant, I wouldn't have my hopes up. Theoretically you don't need scrub entire disk but just drop FDE encryption key in < 1s. I am not agreeing to any terms there, how can apple still enforce those rules then? Which is currently impossible to do with buying a Mac. I can't see Apple playing well with these expectations. What do you mean? Depending on what's being built, if you're developing a cross-platform or Mac app, you might need a Mac somewhere in your pipeline. But can apple dictate licensing terms like this? Would be yet another Apple's security & privacy play. > Because Apple really doesn't care about anything to do with developers. Crazy. Because we have a low-level product (compiler), we sometimes get into a situation where we need to sunset a product before we would normally do that, just because the older product doesn't run on the supported macOS versions. They for sure can seek to enforce it with AWS or others who sell it commercially. Neither hardware costs nor marketing is an issue for Apple in the B2B space. Don't they already? From which I understand that e.g 1. But this was also like 10 years ago. For example, does all its facial recognition and 'Memory' creation locally. - They would be vertically integrated with Apple Silicon. They could probably just kill that part and make enough money on iOS anyway. Create the customer gateway statically. This is nonsensical. Huge pains for something that should not be so hard (a decently strong macOS VM). This idea that Apple doesn't care about developers doesn't hold water. "Use Amazon EC2 Mac Instances to Build & Test macOS, iOS, ipadOS, tvOS, and watchOS Apps" A use case acts as a software modeling technique that defines the features to be implemented and the …, Some companies only charge for commercial use of their products. So when I buy a mac mini at Best Buy, am I somehow agreeing to that policy? Why not set up the servers in EU where likely this is non enforceable? If the CEO wants to use his Mac at work, IT will capitulate. If authentication fails, the connection is denied and the client is prevented from establishing a … We were told specifically not to bring in drinks or water bottles from competitors. And having their own OS makes it more challenging to port apps to AWS/Azure. That is also true. That’s not why one buys EC2. It makes a lot of sense to have a 24hr minimum when renting a physical machine delivered to a workplace, but it seems weird to have the same policies when renting a Mac mini on the cloud. I think the previous model was too limited for most use cases, but it’s not fundamentally broken. One of the rules on these Macs in AWS is that you have to rent them for a minimum of 24 hours at a time and you have to rent the whole machine. And you can see it by how they treat the development tools (stuff like this: or the many deprecations, for example: That being said, I don't think Apple has enough people who would be interested in hosting on MacOS to justify an Apple cloud offering. Isn't computer users a tiny part of all Apple users? all of the time. Also consider purchasing a refurbished mac mini. > It appears aws is charging $1/hr with a 24 hr minimum which is similar to every other provider out there that is offering MacOS instances. Apple is a hardware company before they are software. Just spent 4h trying to set this up. 2. Or are there terms limiting this in the purchase agreement. Netflix doesn’t use AWS for video, Facebook doesn’t use AWS for most stuff, Google and Microsoft obviously don’t now because of competition but they didn’t before GCP and Azure were things. Am I wrong to think there are workloads that can only be run on Mac? Most individual power-end-users have similar use-cases. Create a subnet created in 1 with another CIDR. It is Generic to choose. I just don’t understand what. Almost everyone runs production systems on either Linux or Windows, so they would be an outlier, and the only one debugging and contributing to the operating system/libraries/etc. > __ should fix it but I don't have a Mac to test. I have written the below code for creating a virtual network in terraform azure: I have files in the root folder for, and terraform.tfvars. Yep. Best Intel processor: Core i3 vs i5 vs i7 vs i9 in a laptop. My first reaction when seeing the new title was that the Amazon Fire store had blocked this app. The hardware is abstracted and you get you use MacOS and its services on demand. We have worked closely and transparently with Apple over the past few months not only on the product definition and platform design, but also on multiple architectural decisions for this offering. Having excellent Wi-Fi is paramount in 2021, and if you need to overhaul your home Wi-Fi setup, it doesn’t get better than eero. Couldn't you keep the instance the first time every day ? It doesn't matter who is asking them. If you ever stop a running instance, the dedicated host - for which you are paying - stays in "Pending" mode for indefinite amounts of time. Apparently industries have much more faith in APPL than in AMD. AWS might as well have negotiated good terms, but why give those to customers? At a total cost ~$500, this old mac mini is a beast. Leasing for Permitted Developer Services. How many hours / dollars / gigatons-of-carbon / calories are wasted on this comically inefficient, user-hostile and gratuitously complex state of affairs ? HN's policy of automated title mangling strikes again - the original title is ". Macstadium seems to be offering pricing of $59 per month, which is much more competitive versus buying the hardware outright. The raise of a few free macOS CI mitigated that a bit but the offer is honestly poor (except at CircleCI, props to them), and seems like Apple could care less so much they’re now actively making that harder than ever. Synflooding os x makes the whole network stack unresponsive, including other interfaces like localhost. Apple has a small number of people who really know what they’re doing, and they get shifted around to whatever project Apple thinks is most important — whether that’s hardware or software. It will be a beautiful day when we can run macOS workloads in a container/vm. Enter the confirmed common key (Pre-Shared Key). A lot of them will be Web developers. I am still stuck at getting macOS to recognize my non-default volume size > than the tiny 30 GB it comes with. If the break-even point is a couple months, I don't even consider renting unless it's a really short term thing. It's 2020, this shit has been happening for a while, and it's no secret. Because the Apple logo on the back? It took way longer to have Rayzen computing nodes than ARM M1 ones. Apple sells integrated hardware and software. They do have business sales but it's still more of a pull than a push thing. Exactly. Even in their marketing blurbs Apple advertises mac minis as build and render farms. You'll need to create an Auth0 API using the Management Dashboard to represent the API managed by Azure's API Management Service that you want secured by Auth0.. You'll also need a Machine to Machine Application, which represents your application and allows use … Strangely this means that GH cannot provide macOS on its own! > We were told specifically not to bring in drinks or water bottles from competitors. I have got two modules for resource group and virtual network. It's a large part of their Mac user base. And a services for Web Developers to test their site on Safari. Maybe it's just 20%. A patched version of macOS that Apple provided could just be a AMI on EC2. I'd say it is possible to run Darwin on AWS, but I have never tried. You may lease or sublease a validly licensed version of the Apple Software in its entirety to A. Where's the win over getting a <$700 Mini (new or used) at home and RDPing in when you are out? "Apple Cloud: build features for apple customers using usage-metered cloud resources -- with the customer paying for the usage charges they incur.". It's another thing when you are still seeing new development efforts. Enterprise != B2B. All the big players who rack Mac Minis already have custom rack equipment that fits Mac Minis of this form factor. Last, those Apple rules might as well be non-enforceable legally, but Apple might still retaliate by e.g. The configuration doesn't control the bitness of the .NET core process. However I think I remember a image can that also manipulated used apple hardware for the metal api? While you do need to allocate the Mac for a minimum of 24 hours, you can launch and terminate a fresh mac1.metal instance on that box as many times as you like. The connection configuration diagram is as follows. You agree to that when you install it. Once you have increased the size of the EBS volume on your Mac1 instance, you can execute following commands within macOS guest to increase the size of your APFS container. Also strange things like presenting them in Slides instead of Powerpoint. They tried, but it's just not their DNA. The w3wp.exe process forwards requests to your NET core process. It seems to me that the licensing situation—you have to lease a whole machine for a minimum period of 24 hours—will make the Mac Pro a poor choice in most contexts. > It may take 30-60 mins for this scrubbing workflow to complete, and up to 2-4 hours if BridgeOS update is required. That is untrue... did you just make all of this up? [0]: The problem is that it is chicken and egg. > If I remember correctly they previously bundled icloud services where each user got a slice of storage on the cloud, so I could see them extending that model to a time slice of compute as well, hosted on some form of K8s. Developers were among the first to migrate to Apple back in the 00s when they discovered its Unix underpinnings made it great for doing web development. Developer Services and each Lessee must review and agree to be bound by the terms of this I don't know, but it's definitely not tiny. A use case is a software and system engineering term that describes how a user uses a system to accomplish a particular goal. Unclear if they run on Linux but it seems likely they must, even a bit if using AWS. That’s not strange at all. 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